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  JW speaks for all French JW's

  by Jonathan Drake in

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  http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

  click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

  i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

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  The entire point of their door to door work is to convert people.

  And they are so successful with that aren't they?  What does that have to do with forcing NON-JW's from celebrating holidays?  What school has been picketed by JW's insisting that the entire school stop the flag salute or stop celebrating holidays?

  
  

  The point of a protest is not to force (which would not be "peaceful" and therefore illegal) but to convince and bring about change. His argument was that they do not try to convince. I demonstrated that they do. He was lying. 

  
  

  Regardless of their success rate, it doesn't stop them from going door to door in an effort to convince others of their cause and their rightness so that they join them. He was saying they do not do this at all, regardless of whether or not they succeed. 

  
  

  
  
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  JW speaks for all French JW's

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

  click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

  i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

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  Jonathan, I have read your comments at that site and in my opinion, you are trying to twist what is said and trying to provoke.

  But that's my opinion.

  JW's aren't trying to prevent the public from celebrating holidays.  You know that they share their beliefs in the PUBLIC ministry but they don't get engaged in preventing non-JWs from having holidays.

  We do not look to stop people from practicing their holiday's whether public or private, we just want people to respect our conscience in abstaining.

  
  

  The entire point of their door to door work (which is public in nature) is to convert people. Hence it is, in fact, an effort to stop them from celebrating holidays as well as many other things - including, but not limited to, dying instead of accepting blood.
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  JW speaks for all French JW's

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

  click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

  i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

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  DISCLAIMER: I do not seek to encourage any to take up commenting on the article I posted above.

  
  

  OMG, anyone willing please check the comment section of that article. Maybe you won't get as much of a kick out of it as I am, but I find it hilarious. The one commenter blatantly contradicted himself and he probably doesn't even feel that he did.
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  JW speaks for all French JW's

  by Jonathan Drake in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/.

  click the link on the page at the top next to "re:" for full story.

  i wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on watchtowers response?

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  http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/jehovahs-witness-respect-us.html/
  

  Click the link on the page at the top next to "Re:" for full story. 

  I wonder if this guy had permission to address the media on Watchtowers response? Straight up called the guy a fool.
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  A random HISTORY of that old rugged cross used by JW's until 1931

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  corinthians 1:18, holman christian standard bible "for to those who are perishing the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is gods power.

  an austrian radiologist, hermann moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the watchtower pictures jesus on a stake).

  in a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased.

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  @village

  oh cool, I don't remember reading that bit. I've read two books about Rome and I only own one of them

  http://www.amazon.com/Rome-Empires-Story-Greg-Woolf/dp/0199325189/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1422584325&sr=8-1&keywords=Rome+an+empire
  

  im not sure if the bit about places of execution was in that book or the one I got from the library. But I THINK it was this one... It was a good book. 
  

  
  
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  "Why are we supposed to be happy when people are killed?" From a 10 year old

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i was really overjoyed to hear a 10 year old in the hall say this the other day.

  she was sitting behind us and whispered to her mum during the meeting:.

  "so mummy, why are we supposed to be happy when jehovah kills people, including my friends at school?

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  Good kid.
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  A random HISTORY of that old rugged cross used by JW's until 1931

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  corinthians 1:18, holman christian standard bible "for to those who are perishing the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is gods power.

  an austrian radiologist, hermann moedder, experimented with medical students in the 40's, hanging them by their wrists with their hands directly above their heads (much like the watchtower pictures jesus on a stake).

  in a few minutes, the students became pale, their lung capacity dropped from 5.2 to 1.5 liters, blood pressure decreased and the pulse rate increased.

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  This is great. Jws hate the cross, but it's absolutely undeniable he would have died on a cross. there were different kinds of crucifixions performed. But whenever the Romans had a place of execution (I.e., the "skull place") the stakes were permanently affixed to the ground. So that being a historical fact, what part did Jesus carry? Hmmmm

  
  

  also how heavy would that stake have to be? I've thought about that before and they probably used a long tall log. Long enough to hang the human body high off the ground and strong enough not to break. No way he carried his actual stake. Cross beam? Sure. Stake, no way.
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  Be nice to theists - they are victims of their genes

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  identical twin studies show there is a strong inheritable component to religiosity.

  thomas bouchard studied identical and fraternal twins raised apart and tested them on religious attitudes.. the correlation for the former turned out to be 62% compared to just 2% for the latter.

  his colleague.

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  What is the distinction and where is the difference in a genetically influenced religious person and a non-genetically influenced humanist? 

  
  

  Thsts a good question, hopefully the book will cover such things. Without reading I would guess:

  id say there is no distinction, but that the difference is where a persons genetics influences them to be religious they have the ability to use reason and experience to choose otherwise. Same with the humanist.

  
  

  so the outcome is the same, but the difference is the means the end was accomplished - either with reason over inherent influence or inherent influence over reason. 

  
  

  As as to the rest of your post, personally I don't see a difference no.
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  Why is Paradise Earth to be taken literally?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  why do the jehovah's witnesses feel that paradise earth is a literal place?.

  i posted this question in yahoo answers if anyone is interested: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150125163818aatmbtr.

  why believe poetic promised land prophecy is to be taken literally, but scriptures saying the earth will end must be taken figuratively?

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  The point made in the rebuttal about revelation is very powerful. After everything is said and done gods tent is shown to be with mankind. Mankind doesn't live in heaven it lives on earth. All through revelation there distinctions drawn between the things in heaven and the things on earth. 

  
  

  According to to the bible story, before gods purpose was corrupted he had created man on earth with the purpose to fill it and subdue it. that is our place. Since the entire thing is about reconciling creation to its original purpose, ours would be to fill the earth and subdue it. 

  
  

  But I would also point out that the real point, according to Jesus, is to focus on being loving toward all and showing faith hope and love. So it kind of misses the mark to be distracted arguing about what will happen in the future instead of focusing on the kind of people we are - this I would submit, is exactly why religion is a farce.
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  Be nice to theists - they are victims of their genes

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  identical twin studies show there is a strong inheritable component to religiosity.

  thomas bouchard studied identical and fraternal twins raised apart and tested them on religious attitudes.. the correlation for the former turned out to be 62% compared to just 2% for the latter.

  his colleague.

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  I strongly recommend "Nature Via Nurture" by Matt Ridley

  
  

  I've seen you post this a few times and I'm planning on buying it right after I finish the one I'm on now. As well as one by bill nye about evolution:

  http://www.amazon.com/Undeniable-Evolution-Creation-Bill-Nye-ebook/dp/B00LDQPM94
  

  I look forward to both.